On this episode, the Margin Call crew takes on tech topics, which leads to a discussion on whether the internet is to blame for recent reports that young people are having less sex.
Russell Morse: 00:12 Greetings all and welcome to Margin Call podcast and editorial meeting for Kwest On Media. I’m your host, Russell Morse. On today’s episode, we’ll have our open editorial meeting. It’s been a while. I’m happy to have the crew back together again. Let me start by welcoming and introducing everyone. Charlie’s here with us. Charles Jones. Always a pleasure. Melanie, who we haven’t had on the show in a long time. Very, very happy to welcome you back. Brought some technocracy pieces for us to debate today. Uh, and with us as always, keeping us on task and sounding good. The woman behind the curtain, our producer, Eming Piansay and miracle of miracles as if it were Christmas Eve: Paul Billingsley There was a question whether you would join us and you know, uh, I, I would say speaking of the devil, but that, that has a negative part, I would say Santa Claus. It’s Christmas Eve. You showed up. Paul Billingsley leaves here with us as well, eating a bowl of cereal. Great. Alright, now let Mel, uh, I want to start with you, Mel. Paul, if you’re going to be eating cereal you gotta Mute. Man. We can’t be having any crunching. This is the crunch-free zone. You could chime in whenever you like. Crunching doesn’t count. I hope this isn’t dinner by the way. Didn’t somebody say he was having dinner and then he showed up, but he is a bowl of cereal We need to… We need to stage an intervention. Separate episode, different episodes, Paul intervention and appears to be Tricks. Everybody. Is it tricks?
Charles Jones: 01:54 Being an adult is having the ability to eat cereal for dinner and not be judged. Thank you Russell.
Russell Morse: 02:02 Thank you. I stand corrected. I stand corrected. I have lucky charms in the cabinet right now.
Russell Morse: 02:07 Okay. So no judgment. Just concern, although it’s a thin line between judgment and concern. All right. Melanie, as promised, uh, I want to start with you just because you developed a lot of ideas for discussion based on our technocracy vertical, which was your brainchild initially on the site and we’d like to develop it. So I’m happy to see that you have a lot of suggestions. One of these topics in particular I’m really interested in talking about. I have not seen this film yet. Maybe some other people have American Meme. It’s on Netflix right now. I’ve seen promotional materials for it. It looks fascinating, right? It’s a subject that needs to be unpacked about where this culture, you know, where a selfie culture came from, where social media obsession with the inception was. It wasn’t just the technology that enabled everyone to be a celebrity. It was actual celebrities, namely apparently, and this is what you say as part of the message of the film, Mel, that they give a lot of credit to Paris Hilton, which I hadn’t heard before, but that actually makes a lot of sense because she was the first person famously to be famous for not doing anything. Kim Kardashians came later, but they were friends, you know, Kim gets a lot of credit. Uh, but Paris really developed that archetype. So Mell, have you seen the film?
Melanie F.: 03:31 I actually just watched it right before getting on the call and it starts out with Paris Hilton talking about how lonely she is.
Russell Morse: 03:40 Is she okay? I haven’t seen her in a long time. Sometimes when you don’t see people for awhile, like a famous person like that, it’s not good. Like I remember like Anna Nicole Smith disappeared for like 20 years and I was like, whatever happened to Nicole Smith and then she showed up and she was like, just in the middle of a full on meltdown and soon after that she died, how’s Paris these days?
Melanie F.: 04:00 It’s nothing like that. She’s more popular than ever. She’s got like 50 million followers on multiple platforms all over the world. And she’s continuing to do her thing. But she was very sober in her interviews about what it was like to have become famous for being a party girl. And she kind of complains a little bit about the fact that she hasn’t grown up and she still feels like she’s 21 years old. Um, and she, she’s sort of like the reverse. Um, when she sees all her friends having babies and getting married, she feels envy for their lives. And meanwhile there’s all these other people who follow her who wished they had her life. It’s a very superficial kind of existence. Like her biggest tragedy was her sex tape that came out and she kind of cried during that interviewed.
Russell Morse: 05:09 She’s still crying about the sex tape?
Melanie F.: 05:09 Yeah, I guess it really, it really hurt her feelings and you know,
Russell Morse: 05:14 Let me, let me correct myself…
Melanie F.: 05:17 Yeah, that’s her Monica Lewinsky moment, you know, that really…
Russell Morse: 05:21 I guess I thought my memory at the time was that there was a fair amount of ownership around it were right. Am I remembering that wrong?
Eming Piansay: 05:30 Paul’s nodding his head,
Paul B.: 05:34 You’re thinking about Kim Kardasian I believe.
Russell Morse: 05:35 Yeah. I’m aware of the fact that there’s more than one celebrity sex tape.
Paul B.: 05:39 No but Kimthrew a release party for her DVD.
Melanie F.: 05:47 That first episode of the Kardashians is about Kim’s mom talking about it and using it as sort of the foundation for the series. Um, not that I watch that show, but like, that’s, that’s like why they even became famous in the first place because of these sex tapes.
Russell Morse: 06:09 That’s why Kim became famous.
Paul B.: 06:20 She was her partner!
Russell Morse: 06:20 They knew each other but she wasn’t a public figure.
Eming Piansay: 06:21 She was in her crew. They road together. They went places together and they went out together.
Paul B.: 06:30 They’re the same group though. Remember Tommy Hilfiger’s kid, Quincy Jones kids, they all went to school and like Beverly Hills or whatever is that same vibe group.
Melanie F.: 06:44 Kim was actually her assistant at one point, or at least that’s how she talks about her in this documentary…
Paul B.: 06:52 But her daddy was OJ’s lawyer,
Russell Morse: 06:58 She wasn’t being her assistant for the money. She didn’t need employment. She wanted a reason to be around Paris. It sounds like that is the real emotional turning point for her. The sex tape is her characterization, like is that part of a larger picture where her life didn’t belong to her anymore? Even those intimate moments didn’t belong to her or was it just reliving the experience of that? It was leased, right? She was not even like a fake leak this was a real leak.
Melanie F.: 07:34 She said she felt really violated and she felt like she was raped. So there’s that. And then they, they actually feature a bunch of other social media stars like the Slut Whisperer.
Russell Morse: 07:48 I’m not familiar with the Slut Whisperer. He, he’s, um, he’s already losing followers actually. He’s a man and he goes to parties and he takes photos of girls throwing champagne all over their tits and asses. And he’s quite self-loathing in this documentary.
Russell Morse: 08:22 How many followers does he have?
Melanie F.: 08:26 Oh, he was, you know, in the millions at one point and now …
Russell Morse: 08:29 Just videos?
Melanie F.: 08:35 Photos, vines, speaking of Vines, they had this woman, Brittany Furlan, and she was really famous for like the biggest vine star when vine was still…
Russell Morse: 08:52 I loved Vine actually. I have a lot of skepticism about apps and social media general, but vine was a great format for comedy. It was wonderful.
Melanie F.: 09:03 She’s another one where she became really famous and it was for a few minutes. Then she tries to audition for real parts in movies and TV shows in Hollywood and nobody will take her seriously because they’re like, oh, you’re that Vine girl
Russell Morse: 09:20 Yeah but Wilmer Valderrama was doing Vines.
Melanie F.: 09:26 But Wilmer Valderrama started on TV. And so there’s differenceof when you become a meme online and then in the real worldthey don’t take you seriously. So that at least that was the message of this documentary.
Russell Morse: 09:38 What about Bad Baby? She started off as a meme and now she was nominated for a female rapper of the year.
Paul B.: 09:49 They’re just giving shit out nowadays.
Melanie F.: 09:55 I just think it’s about attitude because this girl, you know, they also do in this Netflix documentary, they do the whole history of each of these online stars and how depressed and suicidal they were when they were growing up. So this girl, she used to be a cutter and it just, you know, they create this entire story.
Russell Morse: 10:19 This is something I’ve been really interested in for a long time. Part of the film is like a where are they now? Thing about people who were viral stars. I’m asking because that is that, is that correct?
Melanie F.: 10:36 No.
Russell Morse: 10:39 I’m not trying to like, you know, send our conversation in a different direction. But that’s a good movie. That’s a good document where, where are all these like, you know, ended up famous people now it’s like, you know, they make movies about lottery winners are like child stars, you know, everybody’s
Charles Jones: 10:58 King Batch who first got his start on Vine and Instagram is on TV shows and movies. There’s another guy who started out, I forget his name, but uh, he started out making silly little vines and Instagram videos. Oh, he on Wild N’ Out now. I think the game might be a little less fair to women in terms of taking them seriously and allowing them like entrance in a like real Hollywood.
Paul B.: 11:34 I don’t know. It doesn’t require you to be taken seriously for you to get $300,000 dollars in promotion from Adidas for making an Instagram post about wearing their shoes. So I think the world is changing, you feel me. And so now it’s like, oh, we started it and I didn’t get as rich as my partner guy and so now I’m mad. But.
Russell Morse: 11:59 Well that’s different though, you know, being, you know, people can secure a spot as a brand ambassador or something if they have no followers, no one has to take you seriously. What Melanie’s trying to say. Like some of these people who were performers who were on vine who actually were comedians wouldn’t be taken seriously when they try to make the transition to Hollywood to get roles or whatever.
Paul B.: 12:19 What I’m saying now, now you are now, if you have a Youtube page, if you have all these things now that gets you on Saturday night live or whatever now that have come and gone memes are a thing now that’s a way.
Charles Jones: 12:33 I don’t think meme or like selfie culture or anything different than the like digital Internet, extension of human behaviors, that like we’ve been doing. So like everybody knew that one girl in school who was like, every time you know, there was the opportunity to be in front of a microphone and be on stage or be at the end of the class. She was taking it. It was her time in the limelight. You know what I’m saying? Now they can do that digitally and like it’s something that happens everywhere. As ubiquitous as something we all go through. People like that that we all know. And so the extension of that digitally would be selfies. People.
Russell Morse: 13:28 I wouldn’t make the argument that these are human impulses. I’m just, I’m interested in…
Charles Jones: 13:35 I think the first cultural meme that I remember is drawing the six stripes, the three lines and then another three lines directly under it to make an S. You know what I’m saying? No, I don’t. I don’t remember anyone ever really teaching me that. I don’t, you know what I’m saying, but it’s something that we all did. So like you know, the Internet is like the extension of that. These memes are just visual expressions, little moments from TV shows or baseball games or whatever that express a greater feeling that we all share. So like what I think it’s weird how people kind of approach, like selfie and meme culture. Like, it’s something new. You know what I’m saying? This is just a new application to shit we’ve been doing.
Melanie F.: 14:36 In some ways Charles, it is new in the fact that you can just be famous with a lot less effort than you did in the old days. Like you don’t need an agent now and you don’t have to really go.
Charles Jones: 14:54 I don’t think so.
Melanie F.: 14:58 You can post it and then you get followers, you know, like for a really short amount of time and then you lose all those followers and I think the big, the big story here is not so much the media, it’s, it’s the loneliness that people are experiencing as a result of this culture.
Russell Morse: 15:23 Right.
Melanie F.: 15:23 That’s what the documentary is ultimately about is the loneliness that is proliferating and I think it’s actually kind of like that. Eming sent a couple of stories as well in the first one is about teens having less sex and I read the story. It’s on Vox and what I had heard or what I’ve read is, wasn’t even mentioned in this Vox article and it’s, it’s that people are online, they don’t go outside. Right. And I don’t know if you guys saw that Saturday Night Live. Well No, I’m just trying to say they don’t go outside and meet people. They’re not like meeting people in real life or, or they’re not interacting. And that’s like one of the main differences of this generation compared to any other is they don’t go outside. So how are you going to have sex if you don’t actually go and meet in person?
Russell Morse: 16:24 I thought this was the first rebuttal of that, that I saw people having less sex because everybody still lives with their parents when they’re 30. It’s hard to have sex in your parent’s house.
Melanie F.: 16:36 Well that’s another reason. Yeah. That’s another thing about going outside.
Paul B.: 16:41 It’s like, it’s so hard to completely not true. You can have sex at your parent’s house.
Russell Morse: 16:48 Not everybody. At least maybe the person you want to have sex with doesn’t want to have sex with you at your parent’s house. You know what I mean? There are a lot of that is actually a lot of factors. Let me, let me rephrase that. Your parents might not be worried about it, but the person you want to have sex with would rather you had your own spot.
Charles Jones: 17:18 I think one of the big reasons that teens are having less sex. Uh, I read something last year about how like teens were girlfriends and boyfriends like are 60 percent more likely to be like cyber stalked. So they were talking about how like usually teens in relationships share upwards of like 300 text messages in a day and they constantly letting each other know where they at and there’s this ability to stay in contact with people you know, puts folks on leashes and so like I know when I was a teenager,
Russell Morse: 17:58 It is harder to cheat. So that’s why people are having less…
Charles Jones: 18:02 It wasn’t even about cheating. I wasn’t necessarily in very many relationships. I was just having sex with a lot of different people as a teenager and so you’re not spending all your time Facetime and one person
Eming Piansay: 18:16 The article is basically saying that people are more anxious and detached. So that was kind of the premise of that.
Russell Morse: 18:25 First of all, how do we even know kids are having less sex? Because let me tell you this. Has any kid ever given a truthful answer about how many people they had sex with? I never gave an honest answer to that question. People are always lying for their own reasons.
Paul B.: 18:40 They could be one way or the other.
Melanie F.: 18:47 The article also said masterbation is up how would they know that?
Russell Morse: 18:49 That information, that information is unreliable the data is skewed and I’ll tell you why…
Charles Jones: 18:54 Isn’t the same stigma on a young people masturbating that there used to be like young girls openly talk about masturbating on social media, young girls own like sex toys now like it’s different.
Charles Jones: 19:09 Charlie. That’s a very helpful supporting argument for what I’m going to say, which is I think that a lot of good things have happened in the last 10 plus years about like sex positivity, right? Like just being kind of more supportive and understanding and respecting the young people and people in-general are sexual beings, right? There’s not as much shame for women to be sexual and I think that maybe that has led people to be more honest when they answer a question like maybe men feel less pressure to inflate their numbers and say that they’ve have more sexual partners. Maybe women feel less compelled to change their numbers one direction or another, and people are done lying about masturbating to Charlie’s point.
Charles Jones: 19:59 My daughter checked me about kink shaming somebody.
Russell Morse: 20:02 Oh, like the sexual stuff they were into. You said it was weird. Yeah, that’s true. Right. If people weren’t shaming for the point of being, it’s like in this new body, gender, sex positive world young people are trying to create an open dialogue and honesty for the way that they go about that. I was a teenager in the nineties, so it’s a completely different. Like we, it’s weird.
Russell Morse: 20:40 Sex was not a good thing. Sex was dangerous.
Russell Morse: 20:53 Yeah. I walked past the sex shop tonight and um, you know, they had the regular stuff, right.
Paul B.: 21:01 You ain’t got to lie, you know, you went in
Russell Morse: 21:03 There was a mannequin with, you know, wearing lingerie or whatever and they have like some vibrators and stuff. And then there was like a, there was a box, it was a butt plug that had like a raccoon tail on it, which I mean, you know, it’s not a crazy thing, but I just stopped and I was like, ah, you know, I mean I get it. You’ve got to get it out. Right. And why not? It serves a practical function removal. Uh, but I also thought, man, you’re going to actually kind of be looking a little bit like an animal. L. That’s beyond being like a plushy, you know what I mean? Like you have a tail now and it is attached to you so to speak.
Charles Jones: 21:48 Oh yeah. They was working around, they was walking around with them on Pride.
Russell Morse: 21:54 I mean, like I said, I’m happy to see that we’ve progressed and we’ve stopped shaming people for their interests. And I like the phrase kink shaming. I think that’s a good one. Maybe I’ll use it, but I just don’t hear that much kink shaming.
Melanie F.: 22:08 So we’ve progressed than the, besides kids not going outside or you know, constantly being on social media, why aren’t they having sex? How do we, I mean, I understand the Vox article had a few theories, but…
Charles Jones: 22:25 As a, as a nineties team, we wascategorized as hypersexual and these kids are our kids from the ages of whatever teen up until now, I got a 22-year old daughter, you know what I’m saying? So, they seen our lives, they kind of in some cases, grew up with some of us, you know what I’m saying? So like, you learn from your parents’ mistakes, it’s why you don’t see many crackheads walking around is because those were our parents.
Melanie F.: 22:58 Well, so I actually just read a book about Celibacy and, and this book was published this year, I think in August. And the woman that wrote it said that she became celibate because she just wanted a clean up her life. But then she found out through a lot of different statistics that the next generation has been choosing celibacy more, um, for, you know, the all kinds of reasons whether it’s disease or, or just trying to not get in as many messy emotional situations as maybe their parents did. So, um, so I thought that was kind of interesting that it’s, it’s becoming, celibacy is actually like, another, another kink and other choice that people are making.
Russell Morse: 23:54 I mean I have to say very, very skeptical about these reports because they sound like every kind of hysteria that teens, you know, like anytime that there’s a headline, it’s like, did you know teams are doing this and teams aren’t doing and kid are doing this wrong. When I was a kid I was like, oh, teens are getting too many blow jobs and now kids are doing this, you know, it’s like, and it’s because of the Internet, it’s because of rap music and because of comic books and like anytime there’s like a hysteria around the behavior, especially the sexual behavior of young people and we try to blame it on some, something that’s popular with young people. I’m just like, I can’t buy into it, you know what I mean? Like I, I’m not saying that like people that Vox or lying or these studies are wrong, but I just, it just seems too much to me like kind of hysteria in the same line as we’ve heard before.
Russell Morse: 24:45 As Charlie mentioned, you know, our generation is criticized for being hypersexual and uh, you know, I don’t think that as a species we’re going to die out. I’m not, I’m not worried, you know, I feel like young people will figure it out and I don’t want to be part of the chorus that it’s like if these kids would just put down their phones and start having sex, everything will be okay. You know, not that that’s nothing, that’s the chorus, but you know what I mean, like what do we want from them? Like this just let young people will be like, I don’t care. Do you. You know what I mean? Like, masturbate, you want to go on social media, you want to have sex, but I have less sex. Like I don’t think it’s, I think it’s like a talking point more than anything. I don’t think it shows any meaningful social change. That’s my opinion.
Paul B.: 25:27 And I always feel like with every, every light pole, you’re like, who did they ask? And is that person like pulling your chain and like, Oh yeah, I did that knowing they didn’t do that.
Melanie F.: 25:39 Why I was interested was because I had seen data on how trends have changed significantly since smartphones were developed 10 years ago, like since, since everybody got one in their hand, all kinds of stats have changed on the way young people are just living in the world and I’m not concerned like Old Lady, like what are these kids doing today? I’m just more interested in um, what are, how are they seeing the world and what, how do they want to shape it? And um, and I guess going back to this documentary on Netflix, Paris is actually, she’s making, um, a digitized version of herself so that people can just come and hang out with her in virtual reality. And in my, I mean this is, this is shit that I think about all the time.
Melanie F.: 26:43 I’m really fascinated by it also because of climate change. Um, I, I always put these things together, you know, if people are sitting in their boxes and their lives are all lived online, maybe it’s preparation for the fact that our physical environment may soon just be water.
Russell Morse: 27:07 I actually feel that there is a connection between these two things, but it’s darker than your connection. Birth rates are down, like people stop having sex, but it’s like, yeah, but isn’t the problem that there’s too many people, isn’t like the real issue of climate change doesn’t really have to do with carbon emissions or we eat too much beef or whatever. It’s like really just, they’re just like too many people, you know. So I’m not that we need to start planning to have less people or have like a one child policy or something. But maybe this is like a biological imperative that like, you know, in order to save the species, because we can’t live on any other planet.
Russell Morse: 27:52 This is the only planet we have a lot of times when we talk about environmentalism or we talk about humanimpact on the globe, we say like, Oh man, like we’re destroying the earth. We’re destroying the mother earth. You know? Uh, and I, you know, I, I think, you know, Earthis going to be fine, right? Like earth was here long before us. We’re actually doing is making earth uninhabitable for us and a lot of times there’s some human arrogance wrapped up and environmentalism that overlooks the fact that like the most important thing is that like we keep the planet as a place where we can all live and I think the tide has turned and that that is what people are concerned about when they talk about climate change, but like what’s actually damaging the planet now is not like a meteorite hitting it or anything. It’s us. Our species has become so successful that we’re just like running out of resources to mine and it and I think that there’s a direct relationship and I think this is borne out by data and this is not just a theory that I’m pulling out of the sky between the amountof people who are on earth and the damage that we’re doing to it. That’s all. And maybe if we. If people are having less sex and people have lessbabies, I don’t know. I’m not saying that’s what we should do, but I mean the hysteria surrounding this observation or speculation that young people are having sex anymore. It’s like, well, maybe they feel like, uh, you know, maybe there’s a biological imperative there. It’s a thought. Maybe sometimes you don’t, you shouldn’t always be able to get a mango. Mel I want to, uh, we’re getting towards the end of our time, but I, you, you introduced me to a phrase something I’ve never heard of before called Data-ism. I hope I’m saying it right.
Melanie F.: 29:52 That’s how I pronounce it.
Russell Morse: 29:56 Data-ism. I don’t know anything about it, but from what I understand, and these are your words, Melanie. It’s a religion that celebrates the growing importance of big data, which is, I mean, I’m more worried about that than where their kids have sex or not to be honest because I think there’ll be able to figure it out. But if we start worshiping data, uh,..
Melanie F.: 30:29 We already worship data.
Russell Morse: 30:33 Are we?
Melanie F.: 30:33 We’re in a Google hang out. This is data, bro that’s being broken down into Zeros and ones as we speak. Our entire lives are, are being categorized, and it’s easier and easier to advertise to us. So there’s this, um, philosopher, he’s a futurist he’s Israeli and he wrote a book about this in 2016.
Russell Morse: 31:06 Is this the guy that wrote Sapiens?
Melanie F.: 31:09 Is it the same guy? His last name is Harare,
Melanie F.: 31:17 He’s cool. I like this guy
Russell Morse: 31:13 Yeah. Yeah, I know this guy. He’s written a few books. Very smart guy. Yeah,
Russell Morse: 31:22 The first book was sapiens. It was just a short history of beings on this planet. And then he moved into technology. Sapiens is the one that I read and the other ones I haven’t read, but he has a lot of great theories, which I’m sure you’re going to expand on about how data affects our decision making and our identities. He’s very smart. Very cool guy. But go ahead.
Melanie F.: 31:44 Well, so, so he gave a Ted talk recently about just this idea of data is, um, is what silicon valley is, is built on and it’s switch Charles was talking about is there’s this very tiny one percent that’s basically making all of the decisions for the rest of us and we’re getting further and further into this more technological type of reality. Um, so, um, his talk, the Ted talk is, um, just how fascism is directly correlated with all of these social media platforms. So the new president, which I think you guys already talked about a few, a few podcasts ago, but the new that was elected in Brazil, he infiltrated social media just like the Trump organization. And so fascism and social media and data are all sort of interlinked. The more you read about it, the more it makes sense because media is the direct connection to the people’s minds. And so you just, you, you control the media and you control everything.
Russell Morse: 33:16 Well wasn’t that true when it was just newspapers?
Melanie F.: 33:18 Yes, exactly. Because I think that phrase I was trying to quote, and I can’t remember who said it, but it was basically a fascist that said that. Okay. And this is, this is the other thing too, when I was watching the Ted talk too, he was defining what fascism is too, because that word is being thrown around a lot more and I know that I misuse it frequently. So that was one of the reasons I was starting to watch this video so I could understand better. Like what exactly is a fascist and I’m not gonna sit here and say that I memorized it, but this whole movement I think is something worth paying attention to because this guy is getting invited to all of the big events in Silicon Valley. People absolutely love him even though he’s telling them that what they’re doing is going to basically break our democracy.
Russell Morse: 34:24 Is it safe to say that data-ism is a phrase that he uses to criticize the way that data is used in worship in society? I mean there aren’t people who call themselves data-ists and say that’s their religion, right?
Melanie F.: 34:39 I don’t know if that’s really what it is. He’s the one, it was a New York Times writer that actually coined the phrase and then he wrote about it in his book and called it this, you know, it’s a form of a religion or a philosophy. I’m not sure if there’s anyone out there that says I am a data-ist if you ask them what their religion is, but maybe there are enough weird people out there and maybe that’s another form of kink.
Russell Morse: 35:09 We could (inaudible) data butt plug forinstance, just throwing ideas out there, you know, I think that fascism is worth revisiting on a future show just because as you say, it’s such an overused term. A lot of times we just like politicians, we don’t like instead of fascism we should be talking about whether ‘Baby it’s Cold Outside’ is about sexual assault, but unfortunately that’s going to have to wait for our Christmas episode or a future episode because we’d been here for a while folks. Uh, I want to thank everybody for coming on. Charlie always a pleasure, Melanie. It’s been a while. Thank you for leading us through this conversation. Paul, thanks for sharing your cereal with us and reminding us that being an adult means eating cereal for dinner and not being judged, even though Charlie said that you were really, and thanks as always to Eming our producer. Thanks for coming out. Guys. Tune in next time when we may or may not be discussing whether ‘Baby, it’sCold Outside’. It’s about creepy rape-ybehavior. Thanks a loteverybody. Till next time: Kwest On!.
Eming Piansay: 36:29 This episode of Kwest On Media’s Margin Call was produced in Richmond, California.
